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&nbsp;Post subject: Mise en demeurre du site Peng</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=309&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Stphane, l'auteur du logiciel Peng, a reu une lettre de mise en demeurre de la part du cabinet d'avocats Arentfox reprsentant lgale de la socit Bip aux Etats Unis. <br />  <br /> Celui ci nous crit que la marque Bip est copyrighte par la socite X, et qu'ils ont ports toutes leurs attentions sur le site du logiciel Peng, enregistr sous le nom de domaine Peng.org. <br />  <br /> Selon eux, le site de Peng abuse de l'utilisation de la marque dpose, et induit faussement que la marque Bip est affili  une entreprise qui dveloppe le produit peng. Peng interragit ou interfere avec leur client propritaire, et notre utilisation commerciale du nom du client Bip dissoud les qualits distinctes de la marque. <br />  <br /> En consquence, ils nous demandent de les contacter le plus rapidement (avant le 14 octobre) pour confirmer que nous allons supprimer toutes rfrences  la marque Bip, et leur conceder la proprit du nom de domaine Peng.org <br />  <br /> Voila en quelques mots le coeur de la mise en demeurre, que je publierais rapidement. <br />  <br /> code34</span><span class="gensmall"><br /><br />Last edited by code34 on Thu Oct 17, 2002 1:24 pm, edited 2 times in total</span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:nicolas_boiteux@yahoo.fr"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.pengaol.org" target="_userwww"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit posters website" title="Visit posters website" border="0" /></a>   <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"></div></div>');  				//--></script><noscript></noscript></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="310"></a><b>Chupa</b></span><br /><span class="postdetails">GNU Gourou<br /><img src="rankst5.gif" alt="GNU Gourou" title="GNU Gourou" border="0" /><br /><img src="images/avatars/gallery/fun5/553.gif" alt="" border="0" /><br /><br />Joined: 20 Sep 2002<br />Posts: 501<br />Location: Annecy - FRANCE</span><br /></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=310&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#310"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 3:42 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: Re: Mise en demeurre du site Peng</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=310&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Toutes rfrences  la marque Bip... <br />  <br /> Hummm... a veut dire koi? <img src="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" border="0" /> <br />  <br /> S'il faut "censurer" toutes les phrases contenant le mot Bip, a va tre dur! <br /> Peng est un logiciel qui permet de se connecter sur Bip, et seulement Bip! <br />  <br /> Je ne m'tonnes pas de la raction d'Bip, c'est bien dans leur philosophie... <br /> M'enfin, a me rassure, a veut dire qu'ils ont riend trouv d'autres  redire que un domaine contenant le mot Bip. Maintenant on sait ce qu'ils pensent au sujet de peng. <br />  <br /> Attendons nous  des tentatives de mise  l'cart de Peng (modification du protocole, etc...)<br />_________________<br />JC</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=5&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=5&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:chupa@apinc.org"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a>  <a href="aim:goim?screenname=ChupaCaray&amp;message=Hello+Are+you+there?"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_aim.gif" alt="AIM Address" title="AIM Address" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://edit.yahoo.com/config/send_webmesg?.target=ChupaCaray&amp;.src=pg"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_yim.gif" alt="Yahoo Messenger" title="Yahoo Messenger" border="0" /></a> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=5&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_msnm.gif" alt="MSN Messenger" title="MSN Messenger" border="0" /></a><script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' <a href="http://wwp.icq.com/scripts/search.dll?to=143406150"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_icq_add.gif" alt="ICQ Number" title="ICQ Number" border="0" /></a>'); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"><a href="http://wwp.icq.com/scripts/search.dll?to=143406150"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_icq_add.gif" alt="ICQ Number" title="ICQ Number" border="0" /></a></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"><a href="http://wwp.icq.com/143406150#pager"><img src="http://web.icq.com/whitepages/online?icq=143406150&img=5" width="18" height="18" border="0" /></a></div></div>');  				//--></script><noscript><a href="http://wwp.icq.com/scripts/search.dll?to=143406150"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_icq_add.gif" alt="ICQ Number" title="ICQ Number" border="0" /></a></noscript></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="311"></a><b>Cro Maat</b></span><br /><span class="postdetails">Expert<br /><img src="rankst3.gif" alt="Expert" title="Expert" border="0" /><br /><img src="images/avatars/gallery/fun/012.gif" alt="" border="0" /><br /><br />Joined: 24 Sep 2002<br />Posts: 76<br />Location: Thionville - FRANCE</span><br /></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=311&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#311"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:48 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: Ils sont vraiment boudins</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=311&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Des personnes de bonne volont font leur boulot  leur place en dveloppant un client Linux sans que a leur coute un rond et ils trouvent encore  redire. <br />  <br /> On ne va tout de mme pas devoir faire comme dans 2001 l'odysse de l'espace, ou l'ordinateur s'appelle HAL, comme IBM recul d'une lettre dans l'alphabet, ou encore comme billou avec Windows NT, WNT, VMS avanc d'une lettre... <br />  <br /> Heureusement le problme ne se pose pas avec le nom PengFork. Mais pour le site, <a href="http://www.pengbpm.org" target="_blank">www.pengbpm.org</a>, c'est nettement moins vocateur, et si la marque bpm existe en plus... <br />  <br /> Je pense que leur menace est tout de mme un peu bidon, car Peng est un .org, donc but non lucratif, en plus le logiciel est libre et gratuit. Et il ne s'agit pas non plus de les dnigrer: ce n'est pas comme si c'tait <a href="http://www.bipppppsucks.org." target="_blank">www.bipppppsucks.org.</a> Je pense donc que leur action est infonde. Il faudrait contacter un avocat de la fsf. <br />  <br /> Mais aprs tout, s'ils veulent vraiment <a href="http://www.Peng.org" target="_blank">www.Peng.org</a>, pourquoi ne pas le leur vendre un bon prix si c'est possible ???  <img src="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" border="0" /> <br />  <br /> M.E.</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=19&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=19&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:cro_maat12@yahoo.com"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a>    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"></div></div>');  				//--></script><noscript></noscript></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="312"></a><b>code34</b></span><br /><span class="postdetails">GNU illumin<br /><img src="rankst4.gif" alt="GNU illumin" title="GNU illumin" border="0" /><br /><img src="images/avatars/gallery/fun2/215.gif" alt="" border="0" /><br /><br />Joined: 20 Sep 2002<br />Posts: 99<br />Location: P.A.C.A - Ctes d'Azur</span><br /></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=312&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#312"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:49 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: Re: Mise en demeurre du site Peng</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=312&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>Chupa wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote">Toutes rfrences  la marque Bip... <br />  <br /> Hummm... a veut dire koi? <img src="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="icon_rolleyes.gif" border="0" /> <br />  <br /> S'il faut "censurer" toutes les phrases contenant le mot Bip, a va tre dur! <br /> Peng est un logiciel qui permet de se connecter sur Bip, et seulement Bip! <br />  <br /> Je ne m'tonnes pas de la raction d'Bip, c'est bien dans leur philosophie... <br /> M'enfin, a me rassure, a veut dire qu'ils ont riend trouv d'autres  redire que un domaine contenant le mot Bip. Maintenant on sait ce qu'ils pensent au sujet de peng. <br />  <br /> Attendons nous  des tentatives de mise  l'cart de Peng (modification du protocole, etc...)</td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />  <br /> J'avais dj pris des dispositions concernant ce genre d'initiative de leur part. Je viens de terminer  85 % la modification du site. <br />  <br /> Steph a du rentrer en contact avec Bip france pour savoir si c'tait spcifiquement aux tats unis, qu'ils se tappaient un dlire. <br />  <br /> Dire que le nom de domaine Peng.org fait penser  Bip ok ! <br />  <br /> Dire que peng est une socit qui gagne de l'argent sur le dos de la marque Bip, c'est une procs d'intention. Il est spcifi sur la page que Peng n'est pas le client d'Bip, et qu'il est dvelopp par des bnvoles de faon non lucrative, et accessible gratuitement sous GPL. <br />  <br /> Peng n'est pas une socit, et il y a eu 0 chiffres d'affaire, et aucune rmunrations indirect, depuis le commencement du projet, il y a deux ans.  <br />  <br /> Mis  part, la gratitude des utilisateurs qui ont pu choisir un systme d'exploitation alternatif  windows sur PC. <br />  <br /> Nous allons donc modifier le site  la convenance d'Bip, stipuler que la marque Peng est une marque protge conformement au code de la proprit intellectuelle, et quand aucun cas Bip peut l'utiliser pour faire la promotion de son client linux. Le nom de domaine Peng.org sera dans ces conditions la tout simplement ferm etant donn qu'il nous appartient, jusqu'a dcision de justice franaise contraire. <br />  <br /> La mise en demeurre est accessible  cette adresse: <br />  <br /> <a href="http://www.Peng.org/fox" target="_blank">http://www.Peng.org/fox</a> <br />  <br /> code34</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:nicolas_boiteux@yahoo.fr"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.pengaol.org" target="_userwww"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit posters website" title="Visit posters website" border="0" /></a>   <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 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&nbsp;Post subject: La question est...</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=314&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Qu'est ce que a cache tout a...? <br />  <br /> Peut-etre , sont-ils en train de dvellopper une "interface" pour LINUX ( sous lindows , par exemple, je dit a tout  fait par hasard... <img src="images/smiles/icon_eek.gif" alt="icon_eek.gif" border="0" /> ) et ils ne veulent pas d'une solution ( produit ? ) qui pourrait rentrer en comptition avec "leur solution"... <br /> Surtout si le conqurant est libre et gratuit, voyez...? <br />  <br /> En interdisant le rfrencement d'un site portant la marque "A..." , ils liminent une grosse partie des connections sur le site, via les moteurs de recherche... <br /> c'est y pas beau tout a, hein...?  <img src="images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="icon_exclaim.gif" border="0" />  <img src="images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="icon_exclaim.gif" border="0" />  <img src="images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="icon_exclaim.gif" border="0" />  <img src="images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="icon_exclaim.gif" border="0" />  <br />  <br /> Le pire, c'est qu'tant donn leur pouvoir conomique, ils feront plier n'importe qui...! <br />  <br /> A bon entendeur ( ceux qui pensaient rsilier leur abonnnement illimit, surtax, c'est le moment ou jamais... ) <br />  <br /> ps : J'espre qu'ils s'trangleront tous avec leurs foutus billets verts...  <br />  <br />  <img src="images/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="icon_evil.gif" border="0" /></span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=11&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=11&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:grandmich@free.fr"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a>    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 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&nbsp;Post subject: grandmich pas content...</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=315&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Je me suis permis au nom de tout ceux qui  ont ou qui travail sur le projet de Peng, de poster une dpche sur :http://linuxfr.org/ <br />  <br /> Je ne sais pas si elle passerra...? <br />  <br />  <img src="images/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="icon_evil.gif" border="0" /></span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=11&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=11&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:grandmich@free.fr"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a>    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 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&nbsp;Post subject: </span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=316&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Mais c koi ces betises d'Bip, ils sont *TICLING*TICLING* c gars, vous fournisser un travail immense de faire un client GRATUIT donc LIBRE de droits sur vos temlps libres, et eux ils ne trouvent qu'a dire je cite : "In addition, your commercial use of our client's Bip mark dilutes the distinctive qualities of that famous mark." <br /> La dedans ya 2 choses ki me chagrine,1 ludike et une autres bizarre : <br /> &lt;------ <br /> on va commencer par la ludike : <br /> - that famous mark : o ksestr donc kils se sont dis Tien avec notre interface Gniale obligatoire ainsi  que nos rezo super performants on une vrai marke de reference <br /> &lt;------ <br />  <br /> La 2eme chose que je trouve d"sagreable de leurs part c'est le mot Commercial, o ont-il vu que votre boulot etait payant, o on-tils vu que vous touchier ne seraisce que 1 rouble pour votre travail, a - kils mettent plusieurs mot sur le mot commercial : pepette et remerciement, donc ce terme n'a rien a faire ici etant donne que Peng est sous license libre si je ne me trompe pas; de plus un coup avant de couvrir Peng, je suis aller dans le salon technique et j'ai demander si il yavais des version de Bip 4 lin et le gars ma simplement dis que des versions taient en preparation en test o states MAIS qu'une version client circulait sur internet mais Bip FRANCE n'en assurait pas le support, donc je me pose donc la question du pourkoi de cette lettre : il n'est stipul nulle part que Peng n'est affilier a Bip et payant, d'otre part je pense qu'il veulent faire tomber Peng car une version avec leurs interface est en prepa et donc ils ne veulent pas que des petits malin utilisent une version sans interface alors qu'une version officielle existe, de plus s'il font cela des millier de personne et de ftp contiennent des version de peng donc n'ai crainte, si tu ferme ton site les gens sauront toujours ou retrouver peng pour ne pas subir leurs interface de merde <br />  <br /> Merci de m'avoir lu sur ce long discours. <br />  <br /> PS: fodrait que Bip payent des traducteurs pour traduire le site en eng pour qu'ils lisent que Peng est libre et non pas commercial mais bon c Bip</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=10&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=10&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a>  <a href="http://www.scoopinet.firstream.net/" target="_userwww"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit posters website" title="Visit posters website" border="0" /></a>   <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 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&nbsp;Post subject: </span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=317&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>Scooper wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote"> <br /> a - kils mettent plusieurs sens (et pas mot) sur le mot commercial  <br /> </td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"></span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=10&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=10&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a>  <a href="http://www.scoopinet.firstream.net/" target="_userwww"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit posters website" title="Visit posters website" border="0" /></a>   <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 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&nbsp;Post subject: Suite [..]</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=318&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Il n'y a aucune raison pour que le site ferme.  Nous avons un nouveau nom de domaine provisoire, en attendant de savoir ce qu'il en est avec Peng.org: <br />  <br /> <a href="http://www.peng.apinc.org" target="_blank">http://www.peng.apinc.org</a> <br />  <br /> code34</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:nicolas_boiteux@yahoo.fr"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.pengaol.org" target="_userwww"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit posters website" title="Visit posters website" border="0" /></a>   <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"></div></div>');  				//--></script><noscript></noscript></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="319"></a><b>Chupa</b></span><br /><span class="postdetails">GNU Gourou<br /><img src="rankst5.gif" alt="GNU Gourou" title="GNU Gourou" border="0" /><br /><img src="images/avatars/gallery/fun5/553.gif" alt="" border="0" /><br /><br />Joined: 20 Sep 2002<br />Posts: 501<br />Location: Annecy - FRANCE</span><br /></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=319&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#319"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2002 9:25 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: Peng for A0hell</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=319&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">J'ai lu la mise en demeurre, trs intressant... <br />  <br /> On y apprends plein de chose! <br /> J'adore notamment: "You also are distributing software products that interact and/or interfere with our client's proprietary software. " <br /> Je ne savais pas que Peng intragissait et/ou interfrait avec l'interface d'A0hell.  <br /> Il n'existe mme pas officiellement de version pour Linux de l'interface! <br />  <br />  <br /> "Bip is still considering the propriety of your software and reserves all its rights to object to those products" <br /> Alors a, je voudrais bien voir a!!!! Je suis sr que dans ce cas les avocats de la FSF se feraient un plaisir de dfendre Stphane. <br />  <br /> Pour le nom de domaine je suis moins certain. <br />  <br /> Quand  l'utilisation du mot Bip, je ne crois pas que l'on puisse nous empcher de l'utiliser, sous rserve qu'il n'y ait pas de propos diffamatoire ou injurieux, et (ventuellement) un rappel lgal "Bip is a trademark of America Online, Inc." en bas de page. <br />  <br /> Les logiciels AIM et autres se rapportant  Bip ont-ils eu ce genre de problme? <br />  <br /> Je vais essayer de me renseigner sur tout a...<br />_________________<br />JC</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=5&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=5&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:chupa@apinc.org"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a>  <a href="aim:goim?screenname=ChupaCaray&amp;message=Hello+Are+you+there?"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_aim.gif" alt="AIM Address" title="AIM Address" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://edit.yahoo.com/config/send_webmesg?.target=ChupaCaray&amp;.src=pg"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_yim.gif" alt="Yahoo Messenger" title="Yahoo Messenger" border="0" /></a> <a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=5&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_msnm.gif" alt="MSN Messenger" title="MSN Messenger" border="0" /></a><script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' <a href="http://wwp.icq.com/scripts/search.dll?to=143406150"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_icq_add.gif" alt="ICQ Number" title="ICQ Number" border="0" /></a>'); 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&nbsp;Post subject: </span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=320&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>Chupa wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote">J'ai lu la mise en demeurre, trs intressant... <br />  <br /> On y apprends plein de chose! <br /> J'adore notamment: "You also are distributing software products that interact and/or interfere with our client's proprietary software. " <br /> Je ne savais pas que Peng intragissait et/ou interfrait avec l'interface d'A0hell.  <br /> Il n'existe mme pas officiellement de version pour Linux de l'interface! <br /> </td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />  <br /> Ils n'ont pas encore pris connaissance du code sur la proprit intellectuelle franais concernant Peng, et essaie de nous impressionner, d'ou les explications baroques/vaseuses. <br />  <br /> </span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>Chupa wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote"> <br /> "Bip is still considering the propriety of your software and reserves all its rights to object to those products" <br />  <br /> Alors a, je voudrais bien voir a!!!! Je suis sr que dans ce cas les avocats de la FSF se feraient un plaisir de dfendre Stphane. <br /> </td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />  <br /> On va rentrer en contact avec la FsF france pour leur demander  conseils/soutient. <br />  <br /> </span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>Chupa wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote"> <br /> Pour le nom de domaine je suis moins certain. <br /> </td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />  <br /> On comptait le modifier avant mme de recevoir ce courrier. J'attends la rponse de Steph, pour savoir si finalement on le supprime, on leur donne.  <br />  <br /> </span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>Chupa wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote"> <br /> Quand  l'utilisation du mot Bip, je ne crois pas que l'on puisse nous empcher de l'utiliser, sous rserve qu'il n'y ait pas de propos diffamatoire ou injurieux, et (ventuellement) un rappel lgal "Bip is a trademark of America Online, Inc." en bas de page. <br /> </td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />  <br /> Pareil, j'ai commenc  demander confirmation  des avocats. Toute aide/renseignements supplmentaires mme minime sera la bienvenue.  <br />  <br /> Demandez, et parlez en autour de vous !! <br />  <br /> Nous sommes ouvert  toutes suggestions,  <br />  <br /> code34</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_profile.gif" alt="View users profile" title="View users profile" border="0" /></a> <a href="privmsg.php?mode=post&amp;u=2&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_pm.gif" alt="Send private message" title="Send private message" border="0" /></a> <a href="mailto:nicolas_boiteux@yahoo.fr"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_email.gif" alt="Send email" title="Send email" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.pengaol.org" target="_userwww"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_www.gif" alt="Visit posters website" title="Visit posters website" border="0" /></a>   <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"></div></div>');  				//--></script><noscript></noscript></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="324"></a><b>Roumeyou</b></span><br /><span class="postdetails">Guest<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></span><br /></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=324&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#324"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 3:32 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: mmhhh......</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=324&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">14 octobre hmm?..... Avant le 14 oct ??? Mais kess kil zont tous avec le 14 octobre (lancement de loffre ADSL de Free ultra concurrentielle, fin de l'abonnement illimit  14.99&amp;#8364; de Bip (ptett que cet abo passera avec Peng hh!), bref pas mal de chamboulements  cette date dans les tlcom) ...? Question interfrence avec l'interface l je n'ai rien  dire : j'ai pu me connecter sur mon compte et sur le MEME pseudonyme en MEME temps (une connex sous linux avec Peng et une connex sous windows avec le client Bip, sur 2 lignes tlphoniques diffrentes en RTC - je me parlais  moi mme avec un echo c t assez marrant hh)... mais bon a n'est pas Peng qui ets en cause, mais le protocole foireux d'Bip qui permet des "dsauthentification utilisateurs" hh et donc n'est pas scuris pour un sou..... <br />  <br /> Tout a pour dire : ILS PANIQUENT (tout leur systme fait peur de toutes faons - autant faire des pts de sable avec de la semoule crue tssss). <br />  <br />  <img src="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" border="0" /></span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap">      <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"></div></div>');  				//--></script><noscript></noscript></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="spaceRow" colspan="2" height="1"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td width="150" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="325"></a><b>EmpereurZorg</b></span><br /><span class="postdetails">Guest<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></span><br /></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=325&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#325"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 3:33 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: Attention aux sources !</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=325&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Essayez de bien faire gaffe  ce qu'aucune source de Peng ne soit utilise pour le futur client officiel... Les tentatives d'intimidation pour rcuprer la technologie existante sans rien payer, a c'est dj vu...  <br />  <br /> Y'en a marre des  <img src="images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif" alt="icon_twisted.gif" border="0" />  aux dents longues...</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" height="18" width="18"> 			<tr> 				<td valign="middle" nowrap="nowrap">      <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"><!--  	if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 ) 		document.write(' '); 	else 		document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div 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valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=327&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">hello les mecs, <br />  <br /> le droit des marques je connais trs, trs, trs bien... c'est une des mes spcialits!  <br />  <br /> si vous voulez des conseils pour laborer une lettre de rponse qui va bien, n'hsitez pas  me contacter... <br />  <br /> <a href="mailto:soufron@free.fr">soufron@free.fr</a></span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row2" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row2" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" 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src="images/avatars/gallery/fun2/215.gif" alt="" border="0" /><br /><br />Joined: 20 Sep 2002<br />Posts: 99<br />Location: P.A.C.A - Ctes d'Azur</span><br /></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> 			<tr> 				<td width="100%"><a href="viewtopic.php?p=328&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4#328"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /></a><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:35 pm<span class="gen">&nbsp;</span>&nbsp; &nbsp;Post subject: Re: spcialiste en droit des marques</span></td> 				<td valign="top" align="right" nowrap="nowrap"><a href="posting.php?mode=quote&amp;p=328&amp;sid=4692c37fa4ab7cff47809dcf439590e4"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/lang_english/icon_quote.gif" alt="Reply with quote" title="Reply with quote" border="0" /></a>   </td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><hr /></td> 			</tr> 			<tr> 				<td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> 	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>soufron wrote:</b></span></td>	</tr>	<tr>	  <td class="quote">hello les mecs, <br />  <br /> le droit des marques je connais trs, trs, trs bien... c'est une des mes spcialits!  <br />  <br /> si vous voulez des conseils pour laborer une lettre de rponse qui va bien, n'hsitez pas  me contacter... <br />  <br /> <a href="mailto:soufron@free.fr">soufron@free.fr</a></td>	</tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />  <br /> Je t'ai envoy une rponse directement sur ton email <br />  <br /> code34</span><span class="gensmall"></span></td> 			</tr> 		</table></td> 	</tr> 	<tr> 		<td class="row1" width="150" align="left" valign="middle"><span class="nav"><a href="#top" class="nav">Back to top</a></span></td> 		<td class="row1" width="100%" height="28" valign="bottom" nowrap="nowrap"><table cellspacing="0" 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